the sequester on americans across the country in a variety of ways, and either postpone it by buying it down or take up the president's balanced approach to broader deficit reduction that would eliminate the sequester entirely. >> but this coalition, again, it's the industry, it's all the unions. i mean, theoretically, they know a little something about how the faa operates. they point out that the bureau of prisons, the meat inspectors, other agencies have been able to figure out another way. are they just wrong? >> i think i enumerated the ways in which the faa has already done what it could to mitigate the effects of the sequester. the faa, unlike other agencies, is personnel-heavy, and in the end, you cannot avoid -- when 70 percent of your budget, of your operating budget, is personnel, you cannot avoid, when the cuts are as deep as they are in the sequester, the kinds of actions that are taken. these furloughs, that's the unfortunate fact of arbitrary, across-the-board cuts like this.